Laddersmith Gilligan. Purchase fifteen thousand souls worth of merchandise and he will gift you the Gyrm Greataxe. Make your way downward through the building. He spent much time honing his sorceries in one of Melfia's renowned academies but he argued that academies were terrible places to learn. He was considered by Vendrick as his left arm and was one of his. Ele é encontrado no Pico Terroso, ele fica na borda da torre próxima a segunda fogueira do moinha de vento. Anonymous. He is really uptight and won't talk to you unless you have 9 intelligence or more. Reviews. Manscorpion Tark is an NPC in Dark Souls 2. Boards. Think you need 10 int for Carhillion and you can respec once he has acknowledged you. Outside the tower where Lucatiel is a broken part of the path which you can walk on and reach the ladder. Use a fragrant branch of yore. There is a glitch in ds2 called "spell swap" if you didnt know it this glitch can be done by following these steps: 1-Attune the spell you want to do the glitch on. Because I had some consumable souls to spare, I consumed them and bought all Great Soul Arrow, Heavy Soul Arrow (you don't have to buy this), Great Heavy Soul Arrow and. Cahrillion has unique dialogue after Rosabeth of Melfia moves to Majula. But with ashen estus you don't need normal estus as you can just cast heal. The regular Clear Bluestone Ring is available for purchase from Carhillion of the Fold for 2,000 souls. Clair County; 1812-1815 DuPage part of Madison County; 1815-1816 DuPage part of Edwards County; 1816. Hidden Weapon - Obtained by reaching rank 2 in the Bell Keeper Covenant. Creighton the Wanderer Information. Carhillion do Aprisco o primeiro treinador de feitiço que pode ser encontrado no jogo. The appearance of the tombstone is not immediate and can take quite a while, multiple hours of gameplay may be necessary. +1: Earthen Peak, behind an illusory wall with a few small poison pots in front of it. Also they have very similar move sets. Also there were no enemies as I had cleared the area before going to Carhillion. 3. He will move to Majula later after you talk to him and kill the Flexile Sentry. Go up the ladder to find a corpse containing a Large Titanite Shard. Ele passou muito tempo aperfeiçoando suas feitiçarias e tentando "aperfeiçoar sua arte" em uma das famosas academias de Melfia. NPC summon available at the Lost Bastille and (in SotFS) in Drangleic Castle / Throne of Want; She wields the Staff of Amana and the Priest's Chime; She wears the Lion Warrior Helm, Black Hollow Mage Robe, and the Heide Knight Gauntlets and Leggings; She. The Pursuer (呪縛者, Jubakusha) is an optional boss and later an enemy in Dark Souls II. 12 Apr 2021 21:02. Version 1. Dark Souls II SotFS [Carhillion of the Fold] The following video shows the different items that you can obtain from Carhillion of the Fold in Dark Souls 2. 3bn over Carillion audit. xcoldxbloodx (Topic Creator) 9 years ago #3. Even one remaining. Clear Bluestone Ring +1. Elana, Squalid Queen Information. Esta é uma lista contendo todos os anéis de Dark Souls 2. Description. YiddosRule 9 years ago #3. Carhillion of the Fold - 8 Intelligence to engage speech/move to Majula; 30 Intelligence for Northern Ritual Band +1; Felken the Outcast - 8 Faith/8 Intelligence to engage speech; 20/20 required for Sunset Staff without killing him for Assassination Quest. Head to the second floor. Liturgical ringing is included to meet your congregation’s needs for Weddings, Funerals, Worship, Mass and Prayer. . Blacksmith Lenigrast is an NPC in Dark Souls 2. La guida verrà articolata in 2 parti: una Roadmap per sapere cosa fare, e una descrizione dei singoli trofei, con relativa guida all'ottenimento degli stessi. Upon freeing him he will tell you who he is and what his goals for revenge are. Out on the balcony, go up the stairs to the left and pul the lever on the platform. level 1. You need to have the Ring of Whispers to communicate with him, and he can be summoned for the boss battle of the area. Build Level: 155. Other secrets found in Dark Souls 2 include Pharros. . 2. Report Save Follow. Yearn - Carhillion of the Fold – 3,000 souls Hush - Reward for reaching Rank 2 in Way of the Blue Covenant - Found in Lost Bastille (hidden passage in Ruin Sentinel boss room, press A on the walls)Gravestones are a gameplay mechanic in Dark Souls II. Majula acts as the. Carhillion of the Fold. advertisement. In SotFS, the +2 version is also a rare drop from. Link to Dark Souls 2Calculator: Add link here. 0. Guides Dark Souls 2 Dark Souls 2 - No-Man's Wharf, ship, shortcut, Miracles, Lucatiel We'll show you how to find No-Man's Wharf, grab some healing spells,. Soul Greatsword: Drangleic Castle, loot after the statue passed the two dragonriders Boss. He spent much time. In this conversation. Business, Economics, and Finance. The Northern Ritual Band is a ring in Dark Souls II. A catalyst for sorceries and hexes. You. 5: Spell Casting Time -35%: Shaded Woods: Clear Bluestone Ring +2: 0. TP: the end of the ridge where the chest and basilisk is). Need 8 intelligence. Nota dell'autore. Straid of Olaphis - 3 Faith/3 Intelligence to shop and trade; requires a Fragrant Branch. ”(Required characters are Cale, Carhillion, Chloanne, Licia, Melentia, Rosabeth and Gilligan) Moonlight Greatsword: Inherit Benhart’s team of Juice (Complete his questline) Guardian of the fort: Inherit Captain Drummond’s equipment (Complete his questline) Lucatiel: Inherit Lucatiel’s equipment from Mirrah (Complete his questline. Attacco frontale. 1 He has two locations: No-Man's Wharf Majula His tombstone in Majula appears quite fast (a couple of reloads for me), but I killed him in Majula. Stone Trader Chloanne; exhaust her dialogue in Harvest Valley. 2. Lancia dell'Anima Multipla: 3-6: 1: 17: Attacco ad area che spara multipli proiettili d'anima formando un cono. When this card is activated: Set 1 "The Sanctuary in the Sky", or 1 Spell/Trap that mentions it, directly from your Deck. Rings and items that raise INT won't work. Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin is an upgrade and bundle of Dark Souls 2 that brings the game to Playstation 4 and Xbox One, as well as DX11 features on PC. Long, fast weapons are recommended, such as the Ultra Greatsword, the Black Knight. I hope that she is safe. Pfiou j'ai eu le même problème que BuyWardsPlease je ne trouvais plus Carhillion ^^' Merci Mathis-de-niceFor the Dark Souls equivalent, see Dusk Crown Ring. . The Gravestone will usually be found where the character died after a set amount of in-game time. Stone Trader Chloanne You can find her in Harvest Valley. Obtained "temporarily" as a starting spell for Sorcerer OR trade Mytha's Soul at Carhillion for it. Dark Souls II. Dies ist eine Liste aller im Spiel verfügbaren Ringe. BackgroundRest5118. He spent much time honing his sorceries in one of Melfia's renowned academies but he argued that. Soul Spear Barrage - Bought from Carhillion (2500 soul cost). Fume just kills him in 2 hits and continues fighting. Not to be confused with Pursuers. Franchise: Souls. If defeated she drops the Soothing Sunlight miracle, a full Saint's Set, an Idol's. Staff crafted with animal bones. This has happened to me. Carhillion is found in No-man's Wharf, on a dock close to the ship where the Flexile Sentry is fought. The +1 version is found in a metal chest in the foggy part of the Shaded Woods. Ellie's summoning sign is right next to the bonfire, Carhillion's is in front of the fog gate. No-man's Wharf is a location in Dark Souls 2. Manscorpion Tark Information. Build Main Stat: Intelligence. - Location Video; Starting Ring. Character Builds for Dark Souls II are pages where users may share their chosen stats and equipment for optimized play. Soul Shower - Acquired by trading the soul of Scorpioness Najka with Straid (1500 soul cost). For the Dark Souls III equivalent, see Dusk Crown Ring (Dark Souls III). Too bad he doesn't sell it. 51 votes, 33 comments. In the bonfire room there are 2 metal chests which contain the Dull Ember and 2x Human Effigy. Długi czas rzucania, ale zadaje większe obrażenia. Supporting character in Dark Souls II, the Emerald Herald is the character players must speak to in order to increase their soul level and upgrade their estus flask capacity. The +2 version is obtained after defeating the Skeleton Lords in NG+. So if you have a pure melee avatar your punished by not being able to summon Carhillion. Her sign is near the shortcut gate. The Carmillion family name was found in the USA in 1920. Carhillion Bartholomew Lenigrast Handsome, dignified, and polite, Carhillion Bartholomew Lenigrast is what everyone thinks when they hear "Noble. Trending: 19,613th This Week. Chase from Chase and Torr had quite a hard time getting through. 1790-1801 - DuPage part of Knox County and the Northwest Territory; 1801-1812 DuPage part of St. This will cause Royal Sorcerer Navlaan to invade multiple times. TheCallofOrion posted. It also bundles all previous DLCs and provides additional features and content. - higher cast speed. For Dark Souls II on the PlayStation 3, Walkthrough by vhayste. Need 8 intelligence. Para usar magia, sintonize uma feitiçaria em uma fogueira e equipe um cajado. Aside from bosses this is easy mode. Rosabeth of Melfia; unpetrify her, give her a piece of equipment, and exhaust her dialogue. Fur Affinity | For all things fluff, scaled, and feathered!La historia de un mago, para nada común. Verified account Protected Tweets @; Suggested usersCarhillion of the Fold: Clear Bluestone Ring +1: 0. Melee. Existen dos NPC que te pueden ayudar Ellie Corazón de Acero y Carhillion del Redil , a Ellie te la encuentras en la hoguera que está en la zona del jefe y a Carhillion lo podrás encontrar antes de entrar a la batalla contra el jefe. " Solomon Leeds, formerly known as the superhero Astrosupra, is the CEO of the multi-billion dollar conglomerate Darkstone Corp. 2023-05-26. Some rings have upgraded versions, having a maximum of +3. Soul Shower: Trade Scorpioness Najka Soul with Straid of Olaphis. Após o jogador ter falado com ele e de. Carhillion of fold, after wharf??? NeoGeo7 9 years ago #1. Dark Souls II. If the player decides to kill him then he can be revived at his gravestone for 3,500 souls. His name might be a reference to Apate, an evil spirit of deceit released from Pandora's Box. . 7. Pilgrim Bellclaire Information. 2. A big thanks goes out to the community of contributors on the Dark Souls 2 Wiki where some of this information is borrowed from. He was the master of Rosabeth. Bosstime in Dark Souls 2: Wir ziehen mit Lucatiel gegen die Dehnwache in die Schlacht. Soul of the Last Giant is a Boss Soul in Dark Souls 2. He is voiced by James Greene. Backsmith Lenigrast The key to the forge can be bought from Melentia in the Forest of Fallen Giants. Merchants can be encountered throughout the different Locations and usually offer a set of Items for sale. Reply Replies (0) 1 +1. Carhillion had naturally moved to Majula after our initial meeting, and I talked to him there (bought a few sorceries as well),. If the Crown of the Old Iron King expansion is installed, Carhillion can be summoned to fight the Fume Knight at Brume Tower. The Clear Bluestone Ring is a ring in Dark Souls II. I used one vessel just to get Carhillion to return to Majula, then respecced again. Tal como acontece com todo o diálogo relacionado com estatísticas, a base de inteligência do jogador deve atingir esse número. Brigand Armor Set Brigand Armor + Bandit Axe. Invocation: Il est possible de trouver dans le jeu des marques au sols. Neither summon is recommended - Carhillion deals low damage and dies fast, Ellie deals virtually no damage at all, and summoning either of them increases the bosses health by 100%. An NPC named Gavlaan can be talked to here. Purchasable from Carhillion of the Fold. Carhillion of the Fold cosplay doing invasions in various places. Sorcerer's Staff is a weapon in Dark Souls 2. News. Licia - found after the Dragonrider fight at the top of Heide's Flaming Tower. Equipped with cursed battle axes, they can inflict curse status on an unfortunate undead in only a few swings, even through. The Fume Knight (煙の騎士, Kemuri no kishi, "Knight of Smoke"), also known as Raime the Traitor and Rebel Raime, is a boss in Dark Souls II: Crown of the Old Iron King and Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin. Master Carhillion and I are from Melfia, to the south. This NPC sells Sorceries and will upgrade your Pyromancy Flame. Keeping to traditions of their old life, Hollow Mages' genders can be distinguished by the color of their robes; Black Hollow Mages are confirmed to be female, and follow the Old King. Sort by: best. +3: Brume Tower, go out and to the right from the Foyer bonfire, it is behind a small wall on a corpse. Guess I'll. The following is a checklist and set of information I use when playing Dark Souls 2 SotFS to make sure I don't miss an item, conversation, or boss. Speak to her to get a free Human Effigy. On the way back grab the Fragrant Branch of Yore. Majula is a location in Dark Souls II. A land lush with sorcery and pyromancy. 12 Apr 2021 21:02 . She moves to Majula permanently if you offer her equipment. Yearn - Carhillion of the Fold – 3,000 souls Hush - Reward for reaching Rank 2 in Way of the Blue Covenant - Found in Lost Bastille (hidden passage in Ruin Sentinel boss room, press A on the walls) Gravestones are a gameplay mechanic in Dark Souls II. Steady Hand McDuff - Gives a TITANITE SLAB in return for giving him the Dull Ember, and spending 15,000 souls and/or use every type of infusion. Head. Fixed a bug that caused a crash on your way to Mytha's boss arena. An ancient dragon at the top of the Dragon Shrine, that whispers telepathically to the player. Take the rightmost. You have to increase INT then respec later. Carhillion is a sorcerer located in No-Man's Wh. After defeating the Twin Dragonriders in Drangleic Castle he sells infinite spells. Carhillion sells Sorcery spells and items. See moreCarhillion of the Fold is a character in Dark Souls II. Rosabeth of Melfia. Invocation: Il est possible de trouver dans le jeu des marques au sols. PC PlayStation 3 PlayStation 4 Xbox 360. Share. Carhillion of the Fold. History Timeline [edit | edit source]. Go and kill him, then Homeward Bone/feather back, hit the bonfire, and repeat. Carhillion is a bit hidden next to a tree past the Blacksmith's house. ; Lucatiel of Mirrah, summon for boss fight. Laddersmith. Reduces casting time. Greatsword next to a trapped chest near Gavlan;; Varangian Armor;; Royal Soldier's Ring and Estus Flask Shard on the ground floor of the. Similar to the Crestfallen Warrior in Dark Souls 1, Crestfallen Saulden provides some useful information for early on in the game. Here are six charts and maps that tell the story of the firm's demise. SenSx 8 years ago #1. Edit: My formatting sucks. Notes. Speakeasy member. You must have at least 8 intelligence to talk to him! Licia of Lindeldt Above Dragonrider's boss room, in Heide's Tower of Flame. Magic weapon is nice but a good weapon buff spell for you imo would be the pyromancy Flame Weapon. Soul Spear Barrage - Bought from Carhillion (2500 soul cost). Reviving costs souls. An eagle will take you to The Tower Apart bonfire in the Bastille. Spoiler NoobAmateur wrote: When I summon NPC to fight Lud and Zallen, I notice:1. U don't need anything at all. Carhillion of the Fold: 1,800: Frontal AoE: Soul Spear Barrage: 3-6: 1: 17: Fires many low damage Soul Spears in a cone shaped area in front of the player. Carhillion of the Fold, sorcery trainer;; Gavlan, merchant for poison items, also buys your items for a fair price. Does not directly scale off of any stat, but does scale with the Fire ATK Bonus, which is affected by both Intelligence and Faith. Follow that forward and to the left and he will. Posted on 14 Mar 14 at 20:57. Joke's on me, cleared the area found all secrets but forgot that Carhillion won't speak to me with base intelligence. The strength of most sorceries is affected by the caster's intelligence. Master Carhillion polished his art at one of our renowned magic academies. Majula is a small rural town located next to the coast. Steel-Will Lorrie is Old Grumpy Patches3. Cale the Cartographer; Stone. The Knights of Loyce were devoted guardians of Eleum Loyce. Neste vídeo você encontrará a localização do mercador Carhillion do Aprisco, NPC responsável por vender magias, desde que o jogador possua ao menos 8 de Inte. Build Name: Mystic Knight. Elana is quite mysterious as she is very similar to another boss in Dark Souls II. Rings can be repaired at a blacksmith, but not upgraded. INT to recruit him. The regular Clear Bluestone Ring is available for purchase from Carhillion of the Fold for 2,000 souls. Mais poderoso e eficiente para causar dano a inimigos resistentes a ataques físicos. Generally the rules about SL1 runs are pretty lenient (summons, no summons, magic, no magic, etc) but that being said you’re leveling, so it kinda breaks the spirit of the run. . Video Game: Dark Souls II. Carhillion nor the sorcerer starting class wear the hood, so anyone but the all knowing scribe who writes these in-universe lore entries would just see a common black robe unless paired with the hood. Sorcerer's Staff+10. . He spent much time honing his sorceries in one of Melfia's renowned academies but he argued that academies were terrible places to learn. ; After speaking with the dragon, the trophy/achievement "Ancient Dragon" unlocks, and you receive the Ashen Mist Heart; EncountersCrest of the Rat. Sort by: Open comment sort options. Striking illusory walls will not open them, as players could do in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1. tritiumrain 8 years ago #2. From Carhillion, go back down the docks and turn left to kick down a shortcut to the bonfire; Head to the ship, go downstairs, through the fog gate and kill the Flexile Sentry boss You can summon Lucatiel of Mirrah from the dock; This is the first of at least three boss fights you need to summon her for and have her survive to complete her. Reply. If the Crown of the Old Iron King expansion is installed, Carhillion can be summoned to fight the Fume Knight at Brume Tower. The Gravestone will usually be found where the character died after a set amount of in-game time. Soul Greatsword - Found in Castle Drangleic. level 1. Cale the Cartographer; Stone. It has very low durability, it cuts down your total spellcasts by about half, and it’s the slowest staff in. After the Ivory King discovered the raging flames of Chaos beneath his lands, he ordered the construction of the Garrison Ward to confine it. Carhillion chimed in “That’s nothing, read mine. Trolls prowl around just about every corner of the world in some form or another, adapting to. - bigger and more powerful basic spells (fireball dark orb sunlight spear heal soul arrow) - higher jump. The boss will rotate one warrior to face the player and attack with that one, then randomly change to the other side to attack with a different. Can I use a soul vessel to get the required INT/FTH to talk to Carhillion so he moves to Majula, then use another soul vessel to go back to my old stats without losing him? Help. Boards. PD. When you defeat. · 1d. Master Carhillion polished his art at one of our renowned magic academies. Share. Laddersmith Gilligan; kill Mytha the Baneful Queen and he will move to Majula himself. Shockwave: Purchased from Carhillion of the Fold. Rosabeth of Melfia She is petrified before the Shaded Woods. Exhaust her dialogue too. Thousands of Chime Master Millennium Carillons have been installed since its introduction in 1997. Approved by Carhillion of Fold version (V2+changes): - Enemies deal 50% less damage - Start the game with 100 agility - Armours have no stat requirements - Cheaper Lifegems, Fragrant Branches of Yore, Brightbugs - Higher enemy drop rates (all rings boost item discovery and all stack with items that have the same effect) - Reduced. Here's the list of weapons with innate elemental damage. Zero-One868 years ago#6. Just the two of you. Players have created these builds, so their viability to different scenarios will vary. I have 5 base INT and bought the +5 ring from Straid and Carhillion won't talk to me. He is a wandering swordsman from the land of Mirrah who was tricked and is found locked in a jail cell. Carhillion Of The Fold: Carhillion can be found in No Man’s Wharf. CREDITS. Dark Souls 2 Builds Calculator (Beta) Click here for PvE Builds. 600. Page 31 of 70 - Tales of Drangleic - posted in File topics: In response to post #88424213. Build Name: Mystic Knight. No-man's Wharf is a location in Dark Souls II. The area makes use of the torch and fire features for enemy attacks and defenses, so be on the lookout for useful contraptions and bring a torch with you. Clear Bluestone Ring is a Ring in Dark Souls 2 (DKS2). 3 Faith / Int: Straid 8 Faith/ Int: Felkin 10 Int: Carhillion But there is gifts aswell from what I've seen: 20 Faith/Int to get something from Felkin and 30 Int to get something from Carhillion Am I missing something? I wanna get all the minimum requirements for these things so I can respec and not worry about anything. ; Will sell. He no talk to me. Stream Name: Idiots play Grounded (Grounded pt 11)Stream Date: March 20th, 2023SMii7Y+ Video: GroundedWhat is SMii7Y- ?SMii. Cahrillion has unique dialogue after Rosabeth of Melfia moves to Majula. Anonymous. Acquistabile da Carhillion al Pontile Desolato o a Majula. You can summon Steelheart Ellie and Carhillion of the Fold for this fight. Be sure to pull the chain to open the short-cut door back to the first area in No Man's Wharf. Board Topics. "Leather is better than Gold, gold can get you women, leather gets you cash. This card's name becomes "The Sanctuary in the Sky" while on the field or in the GY. No-Man's Wharf. Although she was born in an underprivileged social rank, her skills on the battlefield let her become a knight, but then the accursed sign appeared on her body. An NPC in Dark Souls II, Carhillion sells a wide variety of sorceries and magic items to the player. So apparently there's a shortcut before Carhillion in which you kick down a section of dock to make a bridge. . Carhillion do Aprisco é um famoso feiticeiro de Melfia. On her search to find him, Rosabeth was turned to stone by a Basilisk (not a giant snake in "Dark Souls," by the way; just those pesky little frog-like guys everyone hates in these games). Follow that forward and to the left and he will. 18. Me meet Carhillion of the Fold in dark water cave. Existen dos NPC que te pueden ayudar Ellie Corazón de Acero y Carhillion del Redil , a Ellie te la encuentras en la hoguera que está en la zona del jefe y a Carhillion lo podrás encontrar antes de entrar a la batalla contra el jefe. +2: King's Passage, in a chest after the Looking Glass Knight boss fight. Atair 9 years ago #1. Merchant Hag Melentia is an NPC in Dark Souls 2. Easy Mode V2 +. Hush - Found in the Lost Bastille, Ruin Sentinel Boss room behind an illusory wall. So, at first, I thought it was a quest line of sorts, since she mentions that she is "tracking" him, but. Unlike DkS 1, I feel like Sorcerer doesn't start to shine until later. In the chest on the right side of the building, opposite the light switch. Molto utile se usato in prossimità del nemico. Hey Folks, Do you need to have moved Carhillion of the Fold to Majula or perhaps even fulfill more requirements in order to summon him for the Fume Knight fight? I have seen a few hosts summon him while sunbro'ing FK but have never seen the summon sign for him in my own world. Simplicity Guide for 100% From: GoldSAW. He is voiced by James Greene. Hidden Weapon - Obtained by reaching rank 2 in the Bell Keeper Covenant. Now that I look back I never moved Carhillion of the Fold to Majula. This can be obtained online or offline, for the offline method you. After a time, I never saw her again. For Dark Souls II on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Can you get Carhillion to come back to Majula without 8 INT. Azal’s Staff. " and later: "So, the girl's been here too. They will heal the boss if you do not, so it is of the upmost importance that you do. Out on the balcony, go up the stairs to the left and pul the lever on the platform. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. (Once talked to here, he will move to Harvest Valley, then the doors of Pharros, where he will stay permenantly; Gyrm. Gives you the gesture "Fist pump". Properly trained sorcerers receive their first staff from their master after reaching a certain level of accomplishment. area can be accessed. Soul Greatsword - Found in Castle Drangleic. ATN ->13 (attune second copy of Soul Arrow), STR -> 5 (two hand Hand Axe), DEX -> 9 (two hand Fire Longsword), ATN -> 16 (find and attune Great Soul Arrow. Some rings have upgraded versions, having a maximum of +3. +3: Brume Tower, go out and to the right from the Foyer bonfire, it is behind a small wall on a corpse. Game Progress Route in Dark Souls II tackles a recommended route for the main story of the game. An annual herb with an amber color so deep, it gives the impression of luminescence. I. Chloanne la Lithologue: Après lui avoir parlé à La Vallée des Récoltes elles est à côté du forgeron. It is the mistaken belief of many that the flowers of this herb do not blossom. This NPC sells Sorceries and will upgrade your Pyromancy Flame. If he isn't there ot at his first spot at No Man's Wharf, before Flexile Sentry, either, you may have just killed him and forgot. Location. Carhillion of the Fold - After defeating the Flextile Sentry speak with Carhillion of the Fold at the end of the pier (with an INT of 8 or more), and he'll return to.